This is what's so great about ebay!!!

truth-or-consequences.com/idiots/zachchild/zachchild.html

Kinda long but a good read, a sellers rant about a buyer and their back and forth emails. Both of em seem like idiots to me.

laugh - it's almost like a soap opra.

Can't wait for the movie.

After 2 of these types of episodes dealing with these AssHats....I bailed....No FeeBay for me anymore

This idiot gives sellers a bad name in my opinion when in reality its the buyers who are overwhelmingly the problem, I do a decent bit of buying on ebay and never have problems with sellers.

This idiot seller only gives you two days to pay. I agree I generally pay within hours and I appreciate it when others pay promptly as I'm ready to ship asap and want things gone asap. That said two days isn't realistic considering most buyers I deal with.

Then the seller wants to get the FBI involved, really over an ebay transaction b/c you and the other guy wanna play internet tough guys.

The buyer was also an idiot as well. Seems like its impossible to have a smooth ebay transaciton with non idiots these days.

I like ebay.  I think you get more money on ebay for your items than anywhere else including craigslist, flea markets, etc.  I have no problem paying the fees because of this.  I always get these kind of buyers though, about 1 in 30.  But this past month was crazy with these kinds of loser buyers. 

About a month ago I listed around 10 things.  1 was an expensive air purifier for around $350 that sold, got a message from a lady 4-5 hours later saying she no longer wanted it as she bid on another one and got it cheaper.  Tried the second chance offers and those people ended up buying other air purifiers since they were ending every 20 minutes.  Thinking you ***** what did you bid that high for?  Ended up having to relist the item and waiting another week for it to end while the air purifier is in a box in my living room taking up space with her address on it.

Then sold a few antique glass fire extinguisher grenades in a case.  Mint condition all stickers intact with original fluid inside.  Ended up getting $155 on them after a weeks auction.  She paid, but that night while having a few cold beers I was bored and went through her feedback and noticed she was giving bad feedback to sellers saying she never recieved the item.  Thought I better get tracking and confirmation on this package for this person tomorrow when I run to the post office.  I did and sent her package out.  About 2 weeks later she messages me on ebay "Where is my item???"   "What is the hold up???"  Messaged her the tracking number and said it was delivered last week already.  Take it up with the post office.  She messaged the following day how it arrived and said it's about time!

Next found a TI-83 plus graphing calculator in a storage unit, threw it on ebay got $58.00 for it.  Wait 2 days for the guy to pay and he messages me.  "Me no pay"  I wrote back I know you didn't pay and sent him another invoice.  Got a message back from him saying "you no understand, me know pay!"  I knew what he was trying to say that he couldn't pay or didn't have any money for it anymore but after these other 2 idiots were pissing me off on ebay in this same time frame I contacted ebay after a few more days and filed an unpaid item dispute.  First time ever having to do that on ebay in the past 10 years.  Nothing changed and one day I have bad feedback from him saying bad communication.  He was the asian guy who didn't know english not me.  lol

I don't know if ebay is getting alot of this lately or if it was just a fluke 3 out of 10 of my auctions were with morons but life goes on and I am selling my stuff on there little by little for a decent price and smoking a little more cigarettes than usual and putting a bigger dent in the case of beer in a shorter amount of time.

Here is one of my experiences with how "crazy" some people are...

I listed several high-end pieces of home audio equipment, one being a Hafler pre-amp
it sold for 155.00...as soon as it ended I sent the guy an invoice....next day I get a msg
from him saying...."My pay-pal account won't let me pay"...I replied that I would send a invoice
thru pay-pal(which I promptly did)....then he says "still can't pay, can we cancel this transaction"

I said NO!...I looked at the bidder list and it appears you "sniped" this listing and it is a legal and binding
contract, so you are obligated to pay....I then contacted E-bay and Pay-pal to see what the problem was
they basically said all looked good on their end and they didn't know what his problem was, and they would
contact him....

BOOM!...I get a msg from him calling me a liar, thief etc...and get this... "God will make you pay for this"

I knew right then I was dealing with a crackpot!!

Everyone loves to tout how ebay is a legally binding contract and that is false even though ebay says so somewhere in their terms and conditions.

If a seller decides they don't like what an auction ended at they can refuse to sell the item and ebay can't do anything about it. Buyers can also after bidding and winning decide they aren't going to pay and ebay can't do anything about it.

I wish I woudl have saved the page but I came across some page on ebay the other day that basically said ebay provides a way for buyers and sellers to connect and then said that even after an auction ends all that is is a jumping board for future negotiations or something along those lines, I was really surprised to see it basically spelled out that an auction even in their terms and conditions isn't something that needs to be followed through on.

The statement that "An Auction is a binding contract between buyer and seller to purchase and sell an item..." is not true. Although eBay makes a point of saying that a bid is a binding contract, that too is untrue. Contract Law states that there must be two items present to create a contract. The first is an offer (in our case, a bid). The second is acceptance of that offer (in our case, this is generally the end of the auction). An offer is just an offer is just an offer. A contract is not made when an offer is extended - only when accepted by the seller. The final part of a contract includes the exchange of consideration (payment and delivery of the item) between the two parties.

So you see, an offer to buy is NOT a legally binding contract until accepted by the seller. Even then, it is not enforceable if a material condition of the sale is not disclosed in advance. If (this is the big if) the seller failed to disclose such ridiculous shipping charges in the auction description, the "contract" cannot be enforced.

Everyone loves to tout how ebay is a legally binding contract and that is false even though ebay says so somewhere in their terms and conditions.

If a seller decides they don't like what an auction ended at they can refuse to sell the item and ebay can't do anything about it. Buyers can also after bidding and winning decide they aren't going to pay and ebay can't do anything about it.

I wish I woudl have saved the page but I came across some page on ebay the other day that basically said ebay provides a way for buyers and sellers to connect and then said that even after an auction ends all that is is a jumping board for future negotiations or something along those lines, I was really surprised to see it basically spelled out that an auction even in their terms and conditions isn't something that needs to be followed through on.

The statement that "An Auction is a binding contract between buyer and seller to purchase and sell an item..." is not true. Although eBay makes a point of saying that a bid is a binding contract, that too is untrue. Contract Law states that there must be two items present to create a contract. The first is an offer (in our case, a bid). The second is acceptance of that offer (in our case, this is generally the end of the auction). An offer is just an offer is just an offer. A contract is not made when an offer is extended - only when accepted by the seller. The final part of a contract includes the exchange of consideration (payment and delivery of the item) between the two parties.

So you see, an offer to buy is NOT a legally binding contract until accepted by the seller. Even then, it is not enforceable if a material condition of the sale is not disclosed in advance. If (this is the big if) the seller failed to disclose such ridiculous shipping charges in the auction description, the "contract" cannot be enforced.

Please run on out and find some judgments to back this....you know blank vs. blank

I'll be waiting

RR....  here is a link for you to debunk

tutor2u.net/law/notes/contract-elements.html

this part on auctions, IMHO puts this matter to rest

"It is very important to distinguish an offer from an invitation to treat – that is, an invitation for other people to submit offers. Some everyday situations which we might think are offers are in fact invitations to treat:

          o Goods displayed in a shop window or on a shelf.
                + When a book is placed in a shop window priced at £7.99, the bookshop owner has made an invitation to treat.
                + When I pick up that book and take it to the till, I make the offer to buy the book for £7.99.
                + When the person at the till takes my money, the shop accepts my offer, and a contract comes into being.

          o Adverts basically work in the same way as the scenario above. Advertising something is like putting it in a shop window.

          o Auctions:
    * The original advertising of the auction is just an invitation to treat.
    * When I make a bid, I am making an offer.
    * When the hammer falls, the winning ‘offer’ has been accepted. The seller now has a legally binding contract with the winning bidder (so long as there is no reserve price that hasn’t been reached)"

Your example was written in pounds so I assume they were using Brtitish law which doesn't really apply to us here.

I think I recall hearing some examples where people bought a car for $1 and the seller refused to sell after the auction ended. I don't believe a judge was able to force that person to sell their car just because they had a "contract" through ebay. I believe I've also heard several where buyers renegged and same thing happenned seller couldn't force them to go through with teh sale even after going to court.

About three years ago ebay changed their language from this is a legally binding contract to soemthing along the lines of this is an introduction between two parties that can lead to future negotiation or something along those lines.

I'm no lawyer so I'm not saying I'm 100% right but reguardless even if ebay is a legally binding conttract only in the rarest of situations is it even worthwhile to pursue soemone in court. Personally I won't sell anything over say $350 on ebay because of fees as well as their policies which allow a seller to lose money and their item. Anyhow, because of this it wouldn't be worth me to spend $50 filing fee for small claims court, waste a day off of work and try to sue someone most likely from another state. Ya I'll take it as a loss before I go through all that.

I sold a pair of jeans to a lady who filed a fraud case with ebay.She emailed 4 days later wondering where her jeans were.I told her she filed a fraud case,She said if your not going to send the jeans I want my money back.Told her money was on hold because of the case,She left negative feedback.Ebay said ohh well.

Your example was written in pounds so I assume they were using Brtitish law which doesn't really apply to us here.

I think I recall hearing some examples where people bought a car for $1 and the seller refused to sell after the auction ended. I don't believe a judge was able to force that person to sell their car just because they had a "contract" through ebay. I believe I've also heard several where buyers renegged and same thing happenned seller couldn't force them to go through with teh sale even after going to court.

About three years ago ebay changed their language from this is a legally binding contract to soemthing along the lines of this is an introduction between two parties that can lead to future negotiation or something along those lines.

I'm no lawyer so I'm not saying I'm 100% right but reguardless even if ebay is a legally binding conttract only in the rarest of situations is it even worthwhile to pursue soemone in court. Personally I won't sell anything over say $350 on ebay because of fees as well as their policies which allow a seller to lose money and their item. Anyhow, because of this it wouldn't be worth me to spend $50 filing fee for small claims court, waste a day off of work and try to sue someone most likely from another state. Ya I'll take it as a loss before I go through all that.

I wonder if this work with buying units? I win my locker but no longer like the price I won it at, time to further negotiate the price of my unit.  This sounds just as crazy as what ebay is doing!

Honestly, how is eBay still round with business practices like this?  Or better question how the fu** did we get here?

Lastly, maybe we can form a massive list here on problematic ebay names to block?  

BTW, everyone should send these list if we cn get them to other sites.  after reading that, zachchild is on my banned list, i never wanna deal with this scum bucket!

I wouldn't buy from that guy either!  How do two knuckle heads find each other?
WOW!

Im going through this crap on ebay right now. 

I sold a lot of 4 submachine guns (1:6 scale toys)
Buyer wins
Buyer sends me a communication indicating he wanted me to ship these in a box
I ship them in a bubble envelope - a box would run the cost of shipping over the price I charged for shipping
Few weeks later, buyer emails me and wants me to refund him 5 dollars because the items were used
I email him and tell him it was listed as used and had pics of the actual toys in the auction, I also tell him that although I do not normally accept returns, if he would ship the items back to me then I would refund him his money.

Heres where it gets sketchy.  He tells me he went to the P.O. and was told it would cost him 5 bucks to send this stuff back.  Thats weird, shipping in an envelope only costed me 1.70. 

I again tell this guy, you return me the items, you'll get a refund of what you sent me.  He is now adamant that I just refund him 5 bucks and he keeps the item.

I don't think so. Emailed him AGAIN; return the items and you will receive a full refund.  I'm about to tell him to take it up with ebay.

Here's the sweet justice in all this.  I have TONS of this stuff and he has been bidding on some really nice auctions (nice stuff and cheap prices).  I added this clown to my blocked bidders list and it removed him from all my other auctions. 

This is the buyers scam.  They want to keep the item but they think they can corner you into giving them a "partial refund".  Not with me, IF I decide to give them a refund, it won't be until I receive the item first.